EPISCOPAL VS. ANGLICAN
Hello. I'm a liberal Episcopalian.
And I'm a conservative Anglican. Dude, you guys have had a pretty rough stretch the last few years, haven't you?
What do you mean?
You know, the budget deficits from one end of the country to the other, the plunging membership and Average Sunday Attendance, that kind of thing.
We're doing fine, thank you very much. In fact, things couldn't be better. Why, just the other day...
And do you guys even have seminaries anymore?
Of course we have seminaries! We just got rid of a few extraneous campuses, that's all.
Gotcha. I guess with all the parishes you're suing and all the lawyers you have to pay, you have to cut the fat somewhere.
Lawyers aren't costing us a dime, smart guy. I'll have you know that the Episcopal Church's lawyers are all working Sonny Bono.
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Episcopal lawyers are working Sonny Bono?
It's true. I read it at Jake's. Anyway, things would be a lot easier for all of us if you conservatives hadn't spurned all our efforts at reconcilation.
Such as?
DEPO, the Presiding Bishop's Episcopal Visitors plan...
Did you know that we have a new acronym for all that? BOMRIC.
BOMRIC? What does that mean?
Bend Over, More Reconciliation Is Coming.
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And don't forget the plot against the Episcopal Church by rich, right-wing foundations and their front group, the ISBN.
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The International Standard Book Number?
Or is it the NHL? Whichever one it is, we have the right to defend ourselves against evil conspiracies out to destroy us.
Dude, can I ask you something?
Of course you can. We Episcopalians value dialogue almost as much as we value conversation.
Cool. The Episcopal Church was bleeding money and members long before anyone heard of Gene Robinson. Why would really rich people, who presumably didn't get that way by wasting money, sink lots of their own scratch into doing to the Episcopal Church what the Episcopal Church has been doing to itself for free?
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There's just no talking to you bigots!!
Inspiration from WuzzaDem.

Submitted by Steve L.
at 3/12/2008 8:51:46 PM| Bill, Windoze is DOS, just cleverly disguised. The old autoexec and all the C:\ prompt functions are still there. I still run 486's at a small call center but my favorite is Novell, bullet proof. Chris you forgot the buttinski sidekick for the M$ character |

Submitted by Bill (not IB)
at 3/12/2008 9:13:30 PM| Steve, Yes, the prompt is still there. But the hard drive is locked by Windoze so that older DOS programs can't get access to it - even if you boot into the prompt, instead of Windoze. Not to mention that NTFS (or even FAT-32) gives a wicked case of heartburn to all the *good* DOS software. But I *do* still use "edit" to handle dealing with text files (especially HTML, which programs like Word take great delight in needlessing complicating the code to death). It's way, way faster and easier than Notepad. Plus, I like the black background/white text. |

Submitted by Been There...
at 3/12/2008 10:27:16 PM| Chris -- is this guy a parishioner of Bishop Hotfoot, nah, Broadfoot...eeehhhBrookhart of Montana? He seems to talk just like him. Another nice, effectifive parody of TEC and it's delusional theology? Thanks for another laugh!!! |

Submitted by IB Bill
at 3/13/2008 8:36:41 AM| The whole Mac/Windows rivalry is still going on? Sheesh. Are you kidding me? I thought it would've died with Windows 2000, which was the first reliable O/S Microsoft created, and was certainly "good enough." Look, if you want to spend a boatload of money to be a pseudo-geek, buy a Mac. If you want to spend a lot less money and still have a system that's pretty much matched Mac, buy a PC. If you want to be an authentic geek, run Linux/Unix on whatever you want. Me, I just use a PC. There was a day when the graphics were better on a Mac, but that's long since gone by the wayside. That said, I hear Vista is really buggered, so maybe Mac has an opening here. |

Submitted by Christopher Hathaway
at 3/13/2008 11:44:47 AM| I know nothing about Linux. Is it possible to run it on a Dell? |

Submitted by Sodbuster
at 3/13/2008 1:55:44 PM| Yes, Dell even sells (but you have to ask for them due to anti-competitive licensing from Microsoft for Vista) Linux notebooks. www.ubuntu.org is an excellent place to start. Try it off a live CD so that you don't even have to install anything on your computer. Just remember it is slow at first because you are running off a CD, not a hard drive. |

Submitted by Sodbuster
at 3/13/2008 6:29:22 PM| That should be .com, not .org which is redirected to some radical left-wing .edu site. At least if you have Charter. |

Submitted by Sasha
at 3/13/2008 11:48:03 PM| What bugs me is that the liberal should call the conservative a "bigot" instead of answering what's obviously a perfectly sensible question... |

Submitted by
at 3/17/2008 10:14:47 AM| This whole thing is funny in light of the fact that local Catholic bishops are getting the pants sued off of them for rape\molestation coverups. The Episcopal church may loose a few members here and there, but at least it hasn't lost its soul. |

Submitted by Ken
at 3/17/2008 10:54:19 AM| The Episcopal Church has lost more than a third of it's membership in the past generation. Moreover, the rate has increased from half a percent to about two percent per year. Last year I think the membership loss was about 54,000. Now, maybe that's "a few members" to you, but you might consider that the losses in average Sunday attendance are keeping pace with the loss of membership. Now, as to the substantial part of your anonymous post, I suggest you google "Bennison" for information on child abuse. Another bishop, I think Adams, not only covered up child abuse, but persecuted a priest who pushed the issue. That's two bishops I know of, and you can bet there are more. However, take those 2 and multiply by 33 (the size factor from TEC to the Catholic Church in the U.S.) and you get 66. Are that many Catholic bishops under a cloud? According to Phillip Jenkins, an ex-Catholic now an Episcopalian, the rates of offense among Catholic priests is about the same as those of protestant ministers, so perhaps your self-congratulations are a bit premature. In other words, you might consider that "all have sinned". The Catholic Church simply keeps better records and has a connectional structure that makes cash more accessible to the lawyers. The good news for Catholics is that all of the publicity is leading to a house cleaning that was long overdue, not only for predatory homosexual priests (yes, the real predators - Shandley, Kos, Geoghan, etc. - in the group were gay, deal with it), but for CEO bishops more in tune with their lawyers than their people. The bad news for Catholics is that substantial evidence suggests the bishops still don't the message. But at least they can't protect predators anymore. |

Submitted by Christopher Johnson
at 3/17/2008 11:44:13 AM| Actually, the Episcopal Organization sold its soul somewhere around 1960, give or take. |

Submitted by Eleanorc
at 3/19/2008 9:57:28 PM| Here's trouble... Yes, you can run LINUX on pcs. And for the really brave you can use Terminal in Mac OS and get back into your inner DOS. And the 'conversation' is funny. Thanks. |

Submitted by Francisco Zanger
at 3/28/2008 11:01:27 PM| This has got to be the most bizarre conversation I've tried to read in a long time. I can't figure out if liberal Episcopalians are guilty of using Macs, or if Linux is theologically more conservative than Microsoft, and I sure don't know why paedophiic clergy are being sold by Dell... or did I get confused somewhere? |












As a long, long-time Windows user, I can't wrap myself around the idea of the "Mac" character. I had to buy a Mac to learn how to handle making Mac-compatible CD's a couple of years back, and while it probably does beat Microscam to pieces, it was very, very difficult to adjust to such a different system.
Having said that, I do need to say one other thing. DOS is !!!better!!! than Windows or Mac OS. With keyboard commands, I can run rings around people using the alternatives. And it's stable, reliable, and flexible. Give me DOS (or better yet, VAX/VMS Fortran) any day!!!!!