PISKIE-LETICS
In Christian worship, the purpose of the sermon is twofold. The minister is to both explain the Word of God as fully as he can and also help his listeners apply that Word in their own walks with the Lord.
Connoisseurs of the sermon(of whom I am one; I've got five volumes of Charles Spurgeon that I'm slowly working my way through) generally consider Reformed Protestants to be far and away the best preachers in Christendom. This is more for practical reasons than religious ones; in many Reformed churches, the sermon is the most important part of the service. In these churches, the most prominent feature of the church's interior is a pulpit rather than an altar.
Roman Catholic sermons are widely considered to be some of the worst in the Christian church. This belief is, however, incorrect. Any denomination with the marvelous Benedict Groeschel in its line-up starts out the game two runs ahead and Pope John Paul II was a formidable preacher. And still is, for that matter(sermons, like prayers, don't have to have words).
The worst preaching in Christianity, and we're talking St. Louis Browns-level bad, occurs in the Episcopal Church and the following should explain why. It is not an actual sermon but it is representative of far too much Episcopal preaching these days.
Imagine yourself in a large, old and beautiful Episcopal church on a Sunday morning. The sun is shining through the stained glass and the reredos is a delight to behold even from where you're sitting. The gradual hymn, one of your favorites, has just ended and you sit down and contentedly lean back in your pew as Frank Griswold ascends into the church's pulpit:
Over these next few weeks we will be traveling through the season of Epiphany on our way to Lent and Easter. The season takes its name from a Greek word meaning "manifestation, revelation, disclosure." It began on January 6, the Feast of the Epiphany, when we in the Western churches observed the manifestation to the non-Jewish world of the glory of God, seen by the Wise Men in the face of the child. In Greek, the Wise Men are termed magoi or, as we say in English, magi. Most likely the magi were Persian scholars, expert in the stars and the interpretation of dreams. As such, they were drawn beyond the mundane and predictable into something larger, mysterious, beyond the boundaries of the known limits of reality.
The Wise Men, drawn by an unfamiliar star, start out on a journey forsaking the security of their studies and their carefully catalogued certitudes. They leave everything behind and follow the leading of a star to a yet to be determined destination.
Though the Feast of the Epiphany occurs only twelve days after Christmas day, the actual journey of the Magi would have taken considerably longer. In his poem, The Journey of the Magi, T.S. Eliot gives voice to the Wise Men as they reflect upon the rigors of following the star.
…A hard time we had of it.
At the end we preferred to travel all night
Sleeping in snatches,
With the voices singing in our ears, saying
That this was all folly.
At this point, you're probably saying to yourself, "Well that's interesting, Presiding Bishop, and I really enjoyed the Eliot quote but I have two questions. What on earth does all that mean? And what am I supposed to do with it?" Unfortunately for you, Frank can't hear you and continues.
Fascinated by the star that insinuated itself into their field of inquiry, the Wise Men are drawn beyond themselves into a process of dispossession. They must jettison all assumptions and tidy expectations in order to be made ready for an encounter with God. This encounter will both undo them and crack them open to a new way of perceiving the immediacy and unboundaried love of a God who leaps down from the heavens, pitches a tent among us, and inhabits our world in all its contradictions and complexities. Comprehending such a leap had to be prepared for, and thus the journey of dispossession and purification of consciousness – without which they might have perceived nothing, cursed the star and returned home with their treasure chests unopened.
Having presented their gifts, the Wise Men, warned in a dream not to return to King Herod, left for their own country "by another road," or in Greek, "by another way." The phrase "by another way" has been interpreted to mean not simply returning by a new route but changed, and now seeing in a new way.
Episcopal sermons, as dreadful as they frequently are, are not without a certain utility. Right about here, you're probably thinking about what you're going to have for lunch, trying to decide if there are any chores that need doing when you get home, making a mental list of things you need to pick up at the supermarket, or planning your dinner menu.
Or maybe you're going to spend the afternoon out somewhere and so you're considering various interesting activities. Perhaps you're thinking of a movie you'd like to see. Maybe a concert would be more to your liking, or a nice, relaxing walk through a local museum. But since he's not saying anything worth listening to, the one thing you're most emphatically not doing is listening to the pretentious windbag droning at the pulpit.
God often works in our own lives by unsettling us and fascinating us. By various routes and by different "stars" God insinuates God’s own self into our consciousness and we are drawn beyond ourselves into a journey of growth and discovery that transcends the boundaries of the known and familiar, safe and predictable, and involves risk and unknowing.
Like the Wise Men all we can do is undertake the journey, unsure of its ultimate destination. And yet, in a curious way, the journey is part of the destination. That is, the journey shapes and forms us and opens us to the deeper mystery and enlargement of truth or new perception and understanding which is the journey’s end. Along the way we may become footsore or disconsolate. We may hear "voices singing in our ears, saying that this was all folly."
One should never assume that Episcopal sermons are completely without spiritual value. Because it's here where you pick up the Prayer Book, turn to the Psalter and silently recite Psalm 51 in order to repent of all the obscenities and profanities that ran through your head as you mentally demanded that Frank get to the damned point some time today.
Such are the crooked and wily ways of a God who is expert in irony and indirection: a God who, out of love for us and a passionate desire for our full flourishing, places a star on the horizon of our consciousness. Something is planted within us: an awareness, a yearning, a question and we are drawn out of ourselves and our self-constructed world into something larger and unknown. And thus begins our journey. We leave the safety of home, being drawn forth by God’s love.
If such love could reveal itself to the Wise Men in the form of a child, it can reveal itself to us in any form and by any means. A God who is no stranger to the flesh and the vagaries of our humanity can show up anywhere, leap over any boundaries we might set and say, with disconcerting immediacy, "Here I am."
While our journeys are personal they are seldom undertaken alone. Doubtless along the way, when the journey became difficult, the Wise Men had to encourage one another to remain faithful. Possibly one of them was ready to abandon the journey, and only through the solicitude and urging of his companions was he able to travel on.
Your theological education continues as you turn to and read Psalm 88 since you think that God has completely abandoned you.
As members of Christ’s risen body, we are called to bear one another’s burdens and exercise a ministry of encouragement. Seldom do we find ourselves all in the same place. Our perceptions of God’s ways and the routes we must take vary greatly. And yet, there is only one destination, one Truth toward which we are all drawn, and before whom we kneel in self offering.
May we in this season of Epiphany, and all the seasons of our life in Christ that we pass through together, strengthen and support one another. And may we keep our eyes fixed upon the star.
The $20.00 that you were planning on putting in the collection plate has just become fifty cents and you tell yourself to be sure and notice what time services are at the Baptist church up the street when you drive home after the service.

Submitted by Elizabeth
at 1/24/2004 6:59:03 PM| I said this in a comment over at CaNN and I'll say it here too.
Did anybody catch the line Griswold used to describe God's actions: "Such are the crooked and wily ways of a God who is expert in irony and indirection..." Crooked and wily??? CROOKED AND WILY???? The only crooked and wily creature that I've ever heard of is Satan in the form of a serpent. I always suspected that the serpent was the "god" Griswold prays to, and certainly it seems to be the one that talks to Gene. But it is refreshing to have Griswold finally come out and indicate it directly -- at least as directly as he ever indicates anything. |

Submitted by Terrence, in Vancouver, BC
at 1/24/2004 7:02:10 PM| I should have included a description of the sermon, Ten Shekels and a Shirt by Paris Reidhead: from the web site:
“In Judges 17, the prophet, Micah hires a Levite as his personal priest. The price for the Levite's services was ten shekels (of silver) and a shirt. The real point of this sermon is an indictment of individuals and organizations practising humanism behind a mask of Christianity!" It really does apply to Grizzie and co, and to every day Christians, too. It is also a very good example of good preaching, real preaching, as opposed to "giving voice to" theobabble, a la Grizzie. |

Submitted by KC
at 1/24/2004 7:41:54 PM| he sure is big on dipossession...but then again that nis part of his goal for us on this side
"Like the Wise Men all we can do is undertake the journey, unsure of its ultimate destination. " Heck, I thought the destination was one thing we were to have confidence in as Believers...but then again I am just a lay person unable to discern the same nuances that Frank, VGR and Ragsdale use to approve and indeed celebrate homosexuality and abortion |

Submitted by Ken
at 1/24/2004 8:05:39 PM| Detachment and discernment are traditional marks of Christian maturity, and Frank's "dispossession" sounds like the former, or at least, a distortion of it.
And Christopher, there are some very good Catholic preachers. The ones I can think of used to be Episcopal ministers, though :-) :-) |

Submitted by Katherine
at 1/24/2004 8:15:02 PM| This is so typical of Griswold et al. He starts out as if to preach a Christian sermon, but by the end, he's wandered off into nothingness. Probably because he believes in nothing much. |

Submitted by Oengus Moonbones
at 1/24/2004 9:35:02 PM| Wow, Christopher! The Episcopal Chruch in this country has turned into one big sorry mess. If I had to listen to poppycocky sermons like this I would run screaming to the nearest exit. |

Submitted by Will Duquette
at 1/24/2004 10:26:19 PM| If only orthodoxy were a guarantee of good preaching. My rector and his sermons are orthodox, and I still find myself drifting off. |

Submitted by Tired of Hypocrisy
at 1/24/2004 10:50:13 PM| This sermon is an example of why it is so important our liturgy fences the homily between the Gospel and the Creed. |

Submitted by J. Scott
at 1/25/2004 1:16:14 AM| What an utterly vacuous gasbag ol' Greaseball is! Truly a wonder to behold.
The Wise Men, drawn by an unfamiliar star, start out on a journey forsaking the security of their studies and their carefully catalogued certitudes. They leave everything behind and follow the leading of a star to a yet to be determined destination. This is Griz-speak for his version of the Christian life which is a variation on that old chestnut: "The important thing isn't having the truth, but searching for it." Of course, once you find it, your life will then become meaningless. But never mind. He's really trying to say that conservatives should "jettison all assumptions and tidy expectations" [meaning their creedal hope in the next age rather than focusing on the zeitgeist] and leave behind their "carefully catalogued certitudes" [orthodox faith] and "follow the leading of a star [meaning himself] to a yet to be determined destination" -- meaning the brave new and ever-morphing ECUSA being formed by the "holy" spirit of Grizz and VGR. And "along the way" he wants conservatives to "encourage one another to remain faithful" to the heretical heiarchy he heads up. But he is too sophisticated and nuanced [hasn't got the cahones] to come right out and say it. |

Submitted by Duane
at 1/25/2004 9:19:15 AM| I don't think any denomination has a monopoly of good or bad preachers. A semi retired Espicopal priest, Father Peter, was one of the best preachers I have ever heard. He preached about once a month at the Cathedral in Harrisburg, and I often left church feeling like I had listened to a Knute ROckne in a collar. Now that I am Catholic, I have heard both good and bad. We have a priest still pretty fresh from seminary who does a great job. One of my guilty pleasures is the TV broadcast every Sunday morning of a local baptist church; the preacher is excellent. |

Submitted by IB Bill
at 1/25/2004 12:14:46 PM| I'm not sure I agree on the St. Louis Browns' nature of Episcopal preaching here. Granted it was a long way to go for very little payoff -- I mean, why not just read the T.S. Eliot poem and be done with it, since Frank didn't add and subtracted quite a bit. Particularly the part about the sherbet. But Frank at least didn't teach error, fall off the pulpit or play to an empty house here.
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Submitted by Ken
at 1/25/2004 12:33:03 PM| You know, I take back my snippy comment above (meant as the most gentle of snips, you know): the best preacher I've ever heard was an Episcopalian, Fr. Jim Carlisle. He could say more in 8-10 minutes than any preacher I've heard carry on for 20-40 minutes. |

Submitted by J. Scott
at 1/25/2004 2:59:07 PM| But Frank at least didn't teach error...
What about "Such are the crooked and wily ways of a God who is expert in irony and indirection?" That sounds pretty erroneous to me. But Frank at least didn't ... fall off the pulpit or play to an empty house here. Yeah, but who does that, anyway? I'm so glad none of my offering is going toward paying his salary any more. |

Submitted by IB Bill
at 1/25/2004 5:13:31 PM| What about "Such are the crooked and wily ways of a God who is expert in irony and indirection?" That sounds pretty erroneous to me.
Oh. right. Sorry. Who plays to an empty house? The St. Louis Browns did. |

Submitted by N.
at 1/25/2004 8:11:42 PM| All I can say is Dr. Charles Stanley, Baptist Preacher, on weekly In Touch program or go to InTouch.org gives a wonderful sermon week after week. I'm Lutheran and can't get enough of this guy, I never miss his program. I've watched him for at least ten years now.
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Submitted by Pam
at 1/25/2004 9:39:19 PM| To Ken, if you're still looking here: not exactly about sermons, but I just unexpectedly came across an interesting direct reference to the school we were mentioning in another thread recently:
"A few years ago, when Canon Gene Robinson was right-hand man to the bishop of New Hampshire, he spoke to 500 co-ed teenagers at St. Paul’s School in Concord. In his talk, he spoke about how sex is a gift of God, and that God wants us to use this gift whether with friends of the same sex or friends of the opposite sex, as long as we do it safely. He closed his address with the words: “Share your love with your friends. Use a condom.” Was one of your children or grandchildren among those 500 impressionable teenagers?" (This was from a recent talk or article by Dean Peter Moore of TESM.) That would seem to be the message of American liberal education at all levels today. |

Submitted by hjmayo
at 1/25/2004 10:57:21 PM| Folks,
Please give Frank a break. He hadn't much time to prepare this sermon. During his inter-dimensional travel earlier in the day, he was able to stop on Mars and help get the Spirit rover back online |

Submitted by J. Scott
at 1/25/2004 11:56:04 PM| Thanks for the InTouch tip, N.
There is usually something pretty worthwhile by TESM's faculty at: http://www.tesm.edu/publications/faculty_writings/index_html And there are some pretty good sermons on this Baptist website, too: http://sermons.redlandbaptist.org/ And for something a bit more ponderous, this site is pretty good (except for the cheesy music it plays at you: http://wotruth.com/commentaries.htm http://wotruth.com/articlesmain.htm They also publish audio files of some pretty rich sermons, although the delivery style isn't exactly sedate: http://wotruth.com/audiofiles.htm |

Submitted by Ken
at 1/26/2004 7:48:45 AM| Got it, Pam. I'm still surprised the fund-raiser/rector of St. Paul's would be associated with such controversy.
VGR revealed perhaps more than he mean to, eh: "Love = sex". But back to sermons... |

Submitted by Gayle
at 1/26/2004 10:24:54 AM| Every day in every way, Griswold reminds me more and more of the Episcopal ghost in "The Great Divorce" by C.S. Lewis.
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Submitted by Perry
at 1/26/2004 2:34:11 PM| N:
>> All I can say is Dr. Charles Stanley, Baptist Preacher, on weekly In Touch program or go to InTouch.org gives a wonderful sermon week after week. And his son Andy is good also. I get more out of Andy than I do from Charles, even though Charles is closer to my age. |

Submitted by Christopher Johnson
at 1/26/2004 4:34:45 PM| I didn't mean to imply that all Episcopal preaching is bad. Far from it. I've heard some outstanding sermons in Episcopal churches.
One of the best sermons I ever heard or read anywhere was delivered at my mother's funeral by my parish's late rector, a theological liberal with whom I had absolutely nothing in common. And last Christmas Eve, Paul Walter, out at Good Shepherd in Town & Country, delivered a sermon that hit me right in the gut, it was so good. I still think that Catholic preaching, as a body of work, is not as bad as people think it is and that Episcopal preaching in general is the worst in Christendom. P. S. I would agree that Charles Stanley is exceptional. Another radio guy I never miss if I don't have to is R. C. Sproul of Ligonier Ministries. The late E. V. Hill was one of the best preachers of the Gospel in the English language I ever heard(and one of TBN's few bright spots) and Bishop G. E. Patterson, Presiding Bishop of the Church of God in Christ, is another preacher that I would rank at or very close to the top. |

Submitted by Ken
at 1/26/2004 10:36:41 PM| Christopher -
You have challenged me to re-think my opinion of Catholic preaching. I'm not sure you're right, but it's worth looking at. The scale of the Catholic Church makes generalizations hard: the Catholic Church in the U.S. has more priests than many Episcopal dioceses have members and that means LOTS of bad preachers. But some good ones, too. Like most Catholics, I consider our preaching dreadful (well, except, of course, for Fr. Hawkins, Fr. Hart, Fr. Bristow, and all the other priests I like... they're good). And always remember that bashing the Church is a cottage industry among Catholics. Visit the Catholic blogs for all your Whore-of-Babylon needs and you'll never turn to Bob Jones University again. I just listened to a pro-life sermon preached by the a South Dakota bishop (go to www.sfcatholic.org and press the pro-life button at the top left) and it's pretty good stuff. Not a stunning delivery, but solid. I guess that's what I would have to say about most priests I know. Fr. David preached on how to act at Mass Sunday. It was ok (and sorely needed), but hardly stirring. Maybe the problem is that the homily has a really different place with us. There's less sense of it being "the Word of God spoken" as just a reflection on the Scripture readings that preceed it. That may be for good or ill, I don't know. |

Submitted by Tom R
at 1/27/2004 6:22:58 PM| Having swum both sides, I dunno it's fair to compare apples with oranges. The central point of attending a Catholic Mass is to partake of the Eucharist as a means of grace. A good sermon (or homily? What's the difference again? I know it was worth fighting several wars over before 1648, but the distinction eludes me at time of writing...) -- anyway, good preaching is icing on the cake, but even if it's impenetrable mush you have still achieved "Mission Accomplished" by partaking of the body and blood of Christ.
With Protestants, the emphasis is reversed, and the balance between Word (and fellowship) and Sacrament tilts more sharply towards the former as you move from Lutheranism leftwards. To Catholics, weekly church services with quarterly communion would be an intolerable deprivation. To Protestants, a "private Mass" where only one person (beside the priest) is in attendance would be pointless. The Protestant service is a lecture with an optional meal; the Catholic Mass is a meal with an optional lecture. As additional evidence, [a] many Catholics leave Mass immediately after communion; whereas as Prot services you don't leave until an hour of coffee and biscuits afterwards. [b] I've attended a couple of Presbyterian and [low -- ie, Sydney-ite] Anglican services where numerous people in the audience took out notebooks to jot down points from the sermon. You would never see that at a Catholic service -- unless one were taking notes on the priest to report him to the bishop for heresy. (Once, attending a Catholic baptism, I took a slip of paper from my pocket to add a note to my agenda list. The friendly couple next to me, who had warmly welcomed me to their pew, looked very startled. I later found out that this particular priest had been in trouble for allowing Third Rite (general) rather than First Rite (individual, private) confession/ reconciliation, and so his congregation were wary of "ecclesiastical visitors" of a certain type ...) |

Submitted by Edward
at 1/27/2004 7:22:55 PM| The most effective preacher I can remember was an old Scots Presbyterian minister, Rev. Alexander Menzies, many years ago during my childhood in the Australian outback. At least part of his secret was in his character. He was a very kind and gentle man, who used a large part of the service to speak directly to the children in the congregation, and had a way of addressing us as his personal friends. We all loved him, and wanted to listen to what he was saying. (Where I was concerned, he made an eleven-year-old boy look forward to church on Sundays, which must be fairly close to a miracle!)
These days, I think Archbishop John-Charles of the Anglican Catholic Church deserves at least an honourable mention. His sermons are among the clearest I can remember hearing, well-organised, well-spoken, no longer or shorter than they need to be, and comparing very favourably with some drawn-out and turgid specimens that I've sat through over the years. What's more, they're edifying! |

Submitted by Tom R
at 1/27/2004 8:44:03 PM| Oh, yeah, evidence no 3: the more low-church the Protestant denom or congregation, the more likely he is to use headings, dot-points, and even decimal numbering to map out his plan. |

Submitted by Ken
at 1/28/2004 12:00:13 AM| Tom R -
Actually, at my last Episcopal parish, Fr. Carlilse and I were at times the only ones present for Wednesday afternoon 5:30 Mass and I would hardly say that the service was pointless. But I suspect your reference was to the old days when a priest said Mass essentially alone, although a lay person would be present to "get him started", then move onto another priest. This was a practice not uncommon in clerical communities such as monasteries, but more common would be a priest and lay brother paired for the low Mass said before the brother went off to work. The point was that a priest's essential task was to say Mass daily, and there was no sermon at all. Today, priests "concelebrate", a practice I personally find pointless, but a homily, while not actually required, is almost always done. The online dictionary defines a homily as a sermon, with a secondary definition that it tends toward practical application more than theological exposition. That's pretty much the distinction in practice. As I said above, the Catholic homily tends to be a reflection on the rather extensive scripture readings that precede it, while the Baptist sermons I grew up on were extensive expositions of a very brief portion of scripture, often one verse. |

Submitted by Tom R
at 1/28/2004 2:31:46 PM| Hi Ken,
While flippant, I was not meaning to be offensive. And I did say "from Lutheranism leftwards", which may not include the bulk of Anglicans outside Sydney! My point remains: a [say] Baptist church service with no one present but the pastor would probably be adjourned. A Catholic who said "I only take communion every three months" would get raised eyebrows. |

Submitted by Tom R
at 1/28/2004 2:31:50 PM| Hi Ken,
While flippant, I was not meaning to be offensive. And I did say "from Lutheranism leftwards", which may not include the bulk of Anglicans outside Sydney! My point remains: a [say] Baptist church service with no one present but the pastor would probably be adjourned. A Catholic who said "I only take communion every three months" would get raised eyebrows. |











I am sure what he meant, even if he did not say it, was: "I am Gene."
On a non-sarcastic note, the web-site http://www.sermonindex.net/, has about 3,500 mp3 of real sermons by real men of God that are free to download, but support is welcome.
I highly recommend the following sermon; it is great, and has real application in the real world for real Christians: Ten Shekels and a Shirt by Paris Reidhead